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1. Hadi August 14, 2007 11:21 am

   Stereotypes are not going away any day now boys but what we need are good, openly out, gay/lesbians role models in Singapore.

   I do agree that there is a ‘caste’ system which is global rather than local so at the end of the day attraction is emotional, sex is physical.

   Honestly try everything once. I think that sexual preferences change with time - you might like butch guys somedays and feminine guys some days.

   The problem is that everyone ups it a notch and sometimes that is far too annoying because it is not natural - some which are abnormally butch or abnormally chao sissy.

   Sport crowds seriously if they are truly endowed then we would be focussing on the right muscle groups right…i.e. brains biatches brains!! What were you guys thinking!?

2. nicholas August 14, 2007 12:27 pm

   hi hadi

   thanks for listening in and your comments. I suppose we were trying to target the extremes whereby certain gay people distance themselves away from other just because they look or behave a certain way

   Nick.D

3. Shahmen August 15, 2007 12:10 am

   Oh Ian more secrets please.Haha. Well I feel a good top is someone who has taken it up his ass.

4. KookyPlum August 16, 2007 12:40 am

   i like Number 37…

   Basically its the death of individuality. the right to be ourselves. And i agree that young gay people hav struggled so much within themselves and come out but only to find out that nobody give a hoot about them just coz they are not bronzed greek gods with a paddle. sad really.

   But as a fren said to me. “its easier on you if you play by the rules.”

   Somehow its easier to go wit the flow than struggle to be a unique individual. thus ajs butch-ify themselves not to be popular but for the simple reason of being accepted and noticed.

   well my 2 cents. :)

5. Nod August 21, 2007 11:30 am

   butch? where got? u ever see gay butch boys fight just because some one looks onto their bf(s)? or scratch their balls and pick their noses in a gay club? of course not darling. (something i cannot say for the lesbians-butch even they got no balls to scratch.)

   neither do i agree to go out and celebrate the femme-parts in us, after all, those who do that become trans-gender (not that i have anything against them, i was once turned on by one/ or two).

   so i guess what i m saying is, just be who we are. although the pressure of society ALWAYS　plays a part in shaping that.

   to stay true to a sport, regardless of reasons (to be fabulous looking, to be butch-y, to be healthy etc) still needs determination and will and you have to enjoy it a bit.

   why dragon-boat is the NOW-sport? let me tell u something (i rowed some years ago). What is better then TC’s FMP then to ogle at your teammates (str8 or otherwise) and your rival teams (str8 or otherwise) all (also not to mention that they are all tanned and rather fit from the sport) get into a tiny teeny shower room trying to wash away the polluted kallang water? :P

   ah, i can remember it clearly in my mind now

6. molepunch September 5, 2007 11:26 am

   great episode :)

7. molepunch September 5, 2007 12:30 pm

   as a masculine gay person though, i do resent a lot of things this episode is presuming. of course, i understand that you are illustrating a certain type of internalized-homophobe gay man.
   for one thing, while you guys are embracing your feminine side, gay men like me also embrace our side–our masculine side. this, like queeniness, isn’t a choice. you have to understand that. i didn’t choose to NOT like make-up or fashion–i’m just plain not interested. i didn’t choose to be masculine, i just am more masculine than the average gay man. i’m not straight, but i’m masculine. i was more feminine as a teenager, but i was actually acting feminine to suit a stereotype i understood. how’s that for irony.

   yes, we are proud to be gay too. i’m mostly speaking for myself, but i’m sure a lot of us are. like you, i myself define the word “gay” but i identify with my gender more. i feel silly in boas and i feel fake sashaying. it’s like how a lesbian just feels hella wrong in a dress. just because you guys are more ok being queeny doesn’t mean that THAT is how ALL gay men truly feel deep deep down inside. i do not look down on my queenie sisters. in fact, i have many queen friends.

   what i feel is that you are sorta saying is that if, as a gay man, i do not act queeny, i have “issues” and i have repressed myself, or i’m not being true to myself. that’s not true. i am being myself!

   yes, there are a lot of frauds. there is a lot of internalized homophobia going on. but there are, believe you me, naturally masculine gay men. as for femme-y gay sisters who are deemed unattractive–it’s not that they are horrible or anything, but if i’d wanted to date someone feminine, i would have just dated a real girl. that is my honest opinion. i want to date a gay man–who is both masculine and also feminine; i do not want to date a “girl”. i’m not disgusted by femme sisters, but there is very little attraction there. please do NOT presume that this innocent lack of attraction to be a disguised form of prejudice or homophobia.

   i have femme boyfriends before. the reasons i don’t date them anymore is not because of their lack of masculinity, but rather because they are usually too loud (no one can get a word in), too bitchy, too vain, or too domineering. it’s like dating an auntie. they are kind hearted and lovely people inside, yes, but they are… like that lor.. auntie about everything in life.

   i find this possible double-standard or perhaps projection of my queen friends very annoying: if you are so indignant about having the stigma of being unattractive in the gay world, then tell me, would you choose to date: kumar or rupaul (who both identify as gay and NOT trans), or someone like willie chan? see what i mean? you are your own worst enemy!

   i don’t hear of any of my masculine gay men ever saying anything bad about our femme sisters, but i do hear my femme sisters getting upset about it. like bernice.

   you know what i think? i think it’s your inner demons being projected out into what you think is a “social problem in our gay community”.

   what do you think?

8. Nod September 6, 2007 10:01 pm

   molepunch: ohhh ouch, lots of nameS mention.

9. molepunch September 8, 2007 9:24 pm

   hiya nod,

   there’s nothing wrong with the names being mentioned though. elaborate your meaning?

   kumar: for example
   rupaul: for example
   mr chan: for example and who is also a personal friend
   bernice: she told me this and also said so in an interview in that short lived “gay” magazine in singapore

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